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Tonight's Topic: Rock n Roll is it something that white people own and Black people should have NO interest in whatsoever?
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nightrain: Tonight's Topic: Rock n Roll is it something that white people own and Black people should have NO interest in whatsoever?
HALFjoy: do u listen to rock n' roll, thug?
ThugQueen: im outtie oh,nope
HALFjoy: hmm..guess not..wonder why?.. *conditioning...no doubt
HALFjoy: most black folks have been *conditioned* to think that rock n' roll isn't *their* music..
HALFjoy: when in fact.. nothing could be further from the truth... well..rock n' roll was actually invented by black folks..
HALFjoy: u remember chuck berry?..little 'ain't nobody paid me nothin' richard? they're classics!
HALFjoy: they sure are..those are among the *pioneers* of rock n' roll..
HALFjoy: so why is it that all the rock n' roll stars are white?
HALFjoy: see..white folks started to dig this new sound.. but of course..it was during the time when folks didn't mix racially..
HALFjoy: (they also considered it to be *evil* music..capable of stirring up all those repressed sexual urges young people have) "jungle beats"..and so forth... anyway..despite what the *adults* wanted..the kids, black and white were groovin' to it...
HALFjoy: i kinda like to think of rock n' roll as the beginnings of integration and racial harmony... see..the MUSIC brought 'em all together.
HALFjoy: (which is a beautiful thing, no?)
HALFjoy: well..once the people who learned how much $$ could be made..they decided they had to find someone "acceptable" to the white establishment..
HALFjoy: (that of course gave white folks their icon..their 'king'..elvis..)
HALFjoy: but i digress...
HALFjoy: did u know that black performers couldn't even have their pictures on their own album covers??..s'true!!
HALFjoy: no! that's awful!
HALFjoy: it sure is..they would put pictures of either some no-name white person on the cover..or pictures of people just dancing to sell the music inside... anyway
HALFjoy: white folks really started groovin' to this music that had come from all these talented black folks... and slowly..they STOLE IT COMPLETELY
JazzzyWoman: Hello Everyone
HALFjoy: they sure did..see..the almighty dollar took over... so all these white folks started makin' rock n' roll music...
HALFjoy: (they did however, ALLOW US to keep some r&b, soul and the blues..for awhile at least...)
HALFjoy: so now..black folks don't even REALIZE that rock n' roll is really BLACK AMERICAN MUSIC...
HALFjoy: they've been *conditioned* to think that they can't listen to it.. that it's WHITE FOLKS MUSIC... sad too..
MOLLIE A: it have always been BLACK FOLK music
HALFjoy: there are a lotta black rock n' rollers out there...
HALFjoy: sure has been mollie...
HALFjoy: but u know what?
HALFjoy: (BLACK FOLKS DON'T KNOW THAT OR THEY FORGOT)
MOLLIE A: if you really look at it, BLKS is where WHITE got it from
HALFjoy: of course we are mollie..
HALFjoy: little richard...
HALFjoy: chuck berry...
HALFjoy: as little richard says AD NAUSEUM... ain't no body ever paid me SHIT"
HotChocc: yeah half but now blacks look at them as say they playing white music
phade2black: ...and adding insult to injury....Hot Chocc "F'ed" me...insted of "PH'ing" me////LOL
HALFjoy: (wonder why?)
HALFjoy: see..people have always laughed at me for bein' black and listenin' to rock n' roll...
HALFjoy: but the fact of the matter is... (it's my music)
HALFjoy: living colour
HALFjoy: fishbone
HALFjoy: screaming headless torsos
HALFjoy: reggae cowboys
HALFjoy: joan armatrading
phade2black: you like fishbone???? damn thought i was the only one!!!!!
zuzuu: i found you cats
HALFjoy: tracy chapman
HALFjoy: those...........are some funky rockin' brotha's phade..
zuzuu: what's the question/discussion?
phade2black: <---actually knows andre...(lead singer...what a fool....LOL)
HotChocc: but most black peeps don't know those artist half
HALFjoy: REALLY PHADE?...DAMN
HALFjoy: and do u know why they don't hot?
ROMANCE3: Half joy don't you think that the white rock n' roller have taken the soul from rock n' roll?
phade2black: yep...met him...long time ago...before they became mainstream
HALFjoy: i think they gave it their own "twist" romance
HALFjoy: hot....
HotChocc: yes
HALFjoy: the black rockers i mentioned above are members of the BRC
HALFjoy: the BLACK ROCK COALITION...
HotChocc: i know who they are..but most don't
HALFjoy: part of their manifesto states...
phade2black: rock and roll became popular when they found someone white who actually had a soul voice......Elvis
HotChocc: if it's not played on the urban radio stations blacks don't know them
ROMANCE3: I feel thats why alot of our peeps don't get into rock any more
zuzuu: vernon reid was in black rock coalition
MOLLIE A: maybe we should put the REV JACKSON on it Half
HALFjoy: ROFL mollie
HALFjoy: "we are not carbon copies of the white bands who work america's apartheid oriented rock circuit.
ROMANCE3: it has no feel to it
HALFjoy: ^5 phade
HALFjoy: cuz it's not considered "black music" hot even black folks don't listen to 'em white folks do tho
HALFjoy: do u like rock n' roll romance?
HotChocc: so did whites steal it or did we just give it away?
phade2black: all music in the U.S. is a derivative of early Gospel and Jazz...(except the obvious Country Western)
MOLLIE A: YEa PHADE but look how long they had to wait
HALFjoy: a little of both i think hot...
HALFjoy: and country and western is really just "white folks blues"
HALFjoy: it's all relative
ROMANCE3: ME myself i try to like all music
phade2black: the only white music in this country that is truly theirs is Bluegrass
HALFjoy: that's kewl romance.. me too
ROMANCE3: but i have a had time getting into rock
HALFjoy: yup phade...(and who the HELL wants to hear that?)
zuzuu: country music is the only true white mans music in america.i don't listen to it.
ROMANCE3: Now i luv old rock n' roll
MOLLIE A: Phade that not country, that REDNECK music
phade2black: I like all music...but I tell people where it originates from and they are amazed.......
HotChocc: when whites like elvis came on the scene blacks said he sho got soul instead of dayum..he don stole our music
JazzzyWoman: All music has some good and bad whether it be black or white
HALFjoy: have u checked out any of the black rockers i listed romance?
HALFjoy: true hot...but u also have to remember the times when elvis came out
HALFjoy: (black folks didn't have much of a say in anything)
ROMANCE3: i didn't see it i just got in this room
HALFjoy: you're right jazzy..
HALFjoy: ahh..ok romance...
ROMANCE3: Nighttrain forgot about me ...lol
MOLLIE A: HALF they do now and will not take ADVANTAGE of it
HALFjoy: living colour (now defunkt)
HALFjoy: fishbone
zuzuu: elvis stole Otis Blackwell's phrasing --exactly.--vocally speaking
HALFjoy: reggae cowboys
phade2black: ..and believe me...Rap would have been taken over too...until Vanilla iced fucked up...and lied about where he live at......LOL
HALFjoy: really zuzuu?
HotChocc: lol phade
HALFjoy: but think about it phade...
JazzzyWoman: I liked Elvis music until I heard a few of his racist comments about black,,,and to me he could sing...
ROMANCE3: I have listen to living colour
HALFjoy: (they're stealing rap too...who buys rap?..who is trying to be like rappers?)
HALFjoy: (white boys)
zuzuu: elvis gave blackwell co-writing credit, even though he deserved 100%.
ROMANCE3: Now I did dig Elvis and he really can sing
HALFjoy: all my son's friends think they're tupac
MOLLIE A: the WHITE MAN is HALF
JazzzyWoman: yes he could
MOLLIE A: there this WHITE GUY at work, he really think he is BLK
ROMANCE3: he had a Nubian sound
HALFjoy: <-won't deny elvis could sing
ROMANCE3: that is what sold all there records
ROMANCE3: mostly that is
HALFjoy: (but to call him the "King" of rock n' roll?..i
think NOT)
JazzzyWoman: He also did good for blacks
HotChocc: like what jazzy?
zuzuu: elvis used to fly his jet into a city for peanut butter and banana sanwiches, he'd order a case of soda also.and his party wouldn't even leave the jet.
ROMANCE3: he did good for Nubians HOW
JazzzyWoman: let me think
JazzzyWoman: lol
HotChocc: lol
HotChocc: think hard...lol
phade2black: I'm very eclectic when it comes to music....I love to listen to rap, jazz (especially), rock, classical, and opera...everthing except what I consider.."HARD COUNTRY"...that in my truck drinking my beer music
MOLLIE A: Harder
HALFjoy: he bought his cleanin' woman a caddy..maybe?
JazzzyWoman: in order for us to purchase his record he had to do some good
HALFjoy: (boy did she need THAT)
zuzuu: what's hard country?
JazzzyWoman: didn't mean he had to socialize with us
HALFjoy: not true jazzzy
HALFjoy: we were (and continue to be) TOLD what we
can and cannot like
HALFjoy: who we CAN and cannot like
phade2black: old stuff...like Hank Williams Sr., roy Acuff, Flatt & Scruggs.....
ROMANCE3: Only thing Evils did was use us to buy his music. He wanted us to think he was helping us
zuzuu: jimmy dale golmore from flatlanders has good solo stuff
HALFjoy: do u know how many black folks tell me "rock n' roll sucks, i can't get into it"...(why can't they?..cuz they've been LEFT with nothing but r&b and soul)
ROMANCE3: I really can't blame him it was the record label
JazzzyWoman: he still was a sexy white boy
HALFjoy: we act like that is ALL we are allowed to listen to
HALFjoy: and isn't music universal?..didn't u just say something like that?
HotChocc: who jazzy??? elvis????
JazzzyWoman: yea
phade2black: if you look at most of todays young people...they dont even like r&b......only gangsta rap is popular
zuzuu: miles davis is jazz
phade2black: doesnt take much talent to sample all of the older music...and put some rap words to it
ROMANCE3: Phade do you know what Gangsta rap is?
phade2black: Gangsta rap is basically just a persona....to influence album sales...in my opinion!!!!!!!
HotChocc: yeah romance...it's that shyt we hear from the gov't everyday
phade2black: that is the music that seems to sale at the moment
HotChocc: they the biggest gangstas
HALFjoy: hmmm
HALFjoy: (are we gonna let rap and hip hop get stolen too?)
JazzzyWoman: Music is creativity. I think sampling is a creative way of bring back the old school and giving it a twist to the new school.
zuzuu: everyone through history borrows/steals riffs and bits of songs
JazzzyWoman: and keeps it alive.
HALFjoy: that's fine jazzzy..as long as the original artists get recognition and payment for their music..
ROMANCE3: Half they are trying to steal it
JazzzyWoman: I agree
ROMANCE3: but they see they can't right not at less
HALFjoy: i know they are romance
phade2black: sampling is one thing ..if you add it in to a beat ...but to take the entire beat of a classic and throw words over it...that to me is desecration
HALFjoy: I-agree with phade
ROMANCE3: so they us it to there benefit
zuzuu: if the musician is clever, they change the song
structure a little, create a new song.
JazzzyWoman: true Phade
HALFjoy: or the artists that can't do ANYTHING but sample
phade2black: all the songs I have ever wriiten...when I was in a band...were and will always be original
HALFjoy: i bet..if u took all the sample artists out there..took the original stuff from them..then challenged them to write their OWN original music..they'd fold..they're not MUSICIANS
ROMANCE3: PHADE i can't agree to that
JazzzyWoman: true half
ROMANCE3: for one thing sampling is just caruing on the luv of that music
phade2black: thats fine Romance.......that why your here to voice your opinion...that was merely mine.........
ROMANCE3: i hope i did disrespect you
HALFjoy: hmmm..back to rock n' roll a minute...(since that is our topic..lol)
JazzzyWoman: some of the sampling is pretty good thou
ROMANCE3: i wa just stating the reason for sampling
phade2black: no you didnt....
HALFjoy: why do ya'll personally think that black rock n' roll has been pushed under the carpet?..aside from the $$ aspect..
ROMANCE3: i guess the reason i feel so different about
sambling is cuz
phade2black: sampling is fine...but dont take an entire beat
and throw words over it ...and say you created
a bomb ass song
JazzzyWoman: true
ROMANCE3: i work for a label and i see what it does for the artist and the life of that sample that they use
phade2black: ...no , all you did was be unimaginative enough to not create...but be lazy enuf to use something that was already done!
JazzzyWoman: If a group is strong Half they will make it in both the black and white audiences
HotChocc: rappers are rappers..not musician..and they don't claim to be
HALFjoy: u think so jazzzy?
JazzzyWoman: yes
Precious Ldy: ^5 Jazzy!!
HALFjoy: so how cum a group like fishbone is hardly known by black folks?
phade2black: fishbone is the straight up bomb
HALFjoy: AND a message
HALFjoy: their music is reminiscent of parliament..funkadelic.. with a straight ass rock beat
MOLLIE A: because we choose not to know them Half
JazzzyWoman: because they don't promote to the black folks
ROMANCE3: but if you look at it now alot of rappers are turning into musicians
HALFjoy: really jazzzy?..u think not?
JazzzyWoman: whites are buying their music
MOLLIE A: just like anything, if we don't care for it then we don't know it
phade2black: go to japan tho..and fishbone is in da house
HALFjoy: i think they haven't been promoted properly..hence the creation of the BRC
JazzzyWoman: so its the demographics basicly
HALFjoy: actually jazzzy..it's cuz black folks DO NOT THINK that rock n' roll is BLACK MUSIC
HotChocc: i remember a couple of yrs ago fishbone performed on some awards show
JazzzyWoman: I type a big word....lol
HotChocc: and all my friends hated them
phade2black: fishbone, gil scott herron, joan armatrading, living coulor
HotChocc: i have some of all their music
JazzzyWoman: I like tracy
nightrain: So.....do yall think that "rock" is for whites only?
HotChocc: no
JazzzyWoman: no
ROMANCE3: it is now
nightrain: (we invented it.....why should we let them keep it?)
nightrain: Why do u say that ROMANCE ??????
SwEeTAzZMaMi: i think it's 4 whites only
nightrain: Why do u think that Sweet?
nightrain: ....here is something for u...
JazzzyWoman: I like some rock and roll when its from the heart
ROMANCE3: we are creative people
phade2black: not true....cause some of the old Rolling Stones music is on!
MOLLIE A: it not all the WHITE man fault. we as BLKS dont even try to hear about tfind out about the music
nightrain: .....last Nov I went to the annual Jimi Hendrix memorial concert in NYC...
ROMANCE3: we did lay out for rock and they stole it
SwEeTAzZMaMi: b cause they so silly i, mean the music ha so meaning to it
SwEeTAzZMaMi: all they o is yeel n scream
JazzzyWoman: I agree Mollie
nightrain: ...sponsored by the Black Rock Coilition....
ROMANCE3: so we went a step further
ROMANCE3: with R
nightrain: .....some of the FIERCEST rock n' roll you would ever want to hear...
ROMANCE3: R&B RAPP ECT...
nightrain: .....& guess what?
ROMANCE3: sorry for caps
nightrain: Half of your boy "Joe"'s band was there.... ...jamming on Hendrix songs
HotChocc: i bet mostly whites were there night
phade2black: you leaving us MOLLIE??
nightrain: It was about half & half .......Hot
nightrain: Yeah jazzzy......"Joe's" band are ALL .....rockers!!!!!!!!
JazzzyWoman: really
nightrain: yup...
HotChocc: when fishbone came here i couldn't find anyone to go with me
JazzzyWoman: Joe can rock me anytime....lol
nightrain: ...tey were there at the concert...
phade2black: i would have went with ya Hot
nightrain: ...jamming on stuff like "Purple haze"...
HALFjoy: (cuz rock n' roll is black american music..plain and simple)
HotChocc: tks phade<s>
nightrain: ...also there were members of Kirk Franklin's band there also...
HALFjoy: DAMN HOT..WHERE YA LIVE?
JazzzyWoman: what was the group called
HotChocc: atlanta
HALFjoy: I-need to pull out their tour schedule...
HALFjoy: i know they're gonna be in Jacksonville i think...
HALFjoy: and i wanna GO
nightrain: ...see.......these people KNOW that rock n' roll belongs to black folks...
nightrain: ...and they REFUSE to let white people steal it
nightrain: Buddy Miles was there... ...and I spoke with him about this...
HALFjoy: (it's black folks that don't know rock n' roll belongs to black folks)
JazzzyWoman: ok now that there is this situations what can be done
nightrain: ...He said...
HALFjoy: listen to it...
HALFjoy: request airplay for it...
JazzzyWoman: ok
HALFjoy: BUY it..
HotChocc: ^5 half
HALFjoy: ^5 hot
nightrain: ..."Jimi was trying to take it back that's why *they* killed him"
JazzzyWoman: oh
nightrain: That's what Buddy told me
HotChocc: i'm not surprised night
HALFjoy: do ya'll know there are people who REFUSE to believe jimi hendrix was black???
HALFjoy: {s cmon}
nightrain: "The FAT man of FUNK"
SYSTEM Greeter: "MOLLIE A" has left the room
nightrain: Look at O(+>/Prince......tell em phade about how he ROCKS on the song "Calhoun Square" from the new album "Crystal Ball" or "The Ride"
JazzzyWoman: I like all types of music
phade2black: oh yea........
phade2black: that song is da bomb
nightrain: yup
phade2black: or old stuff like Bambi
HALFjoy: <-wonderin' who the hell that was 'standin' in' for him in front of all those people at woodstock while he was makin' that guitar cry..
nightrain: ^5 Half
phade2black: even Lets Go Crazy was jammin
nightrain: Did yall aready talk about "Living Colour" ?
HALFjoy: eh
nightrain: Fishbone?
nightrain: Slash?
HALFjoy: eh
nightrain: Lenny Kravitz?
HALFjoy: slash is da man
HALFjoy: so is lenny
nightrain: "badd boys"
nightrain: Little Richard
HotChocc: i love lenny kravitz's music
nightrain: Chuck berry
phade2black: hell...I like Sheryl Crow!!!!!!
nightrain: lenny has a new album coming out soon
HALFjoy: ^5 phade!!!!...i got 'tuesday night music club'!!!
JazzzyWoman: Sherly is good
nightrain: We will be doing something BIG when Lenny's new album comes out
nightrain: "u best belive that"
JazzzyWoman: I like Lenny too
HotChocc: i play fishbone to clean house bye....gives me plenty of energy..lol
phade2black: havent got it yet...but it shall soon be purchased.....=)
nightrain: "Let Love Rule"
HALFjoy: woo woo hot!!!!!!!
HotChocc: woo woo!!!!!!!!
phade2black: Alima Morrisette
HALFjoy: u hip to "give a monkey a brain"?..that album is SLAMMIN
phade2black: Alaina
HALFjoy: it's my all time fav fishbone album
JazzzyWoman: My sister was married to the lead in a group called Javier...
HotChocc: yep
HALFjoy: <-has alainis
nightrain: damn....nice to know we got some folks around here who can appreciate the "roots" of the music
JazzzyWoman: rock and roll
nightrain: cool....what instrument....Jazzzy?
HALFjoy: hell i got alpha blondy...can't understand a DAMN thing he says..but i got him..rofl
phade2black: Robert Palmer................Addicted to Love....that was (and is) the cut
JazzzyWoman: His name was Johnny
JazzzyWoman: is
nightrain: Do you know...
JazzzyWoman: gituar
HotChocc: love that one alos phade
phade2black: Power Station........
HotChocc: also
HALFjoy: /u might as well face it you're addicted to love/
nightrain: ...that some "rock critics" consider Booker T & the MG's to be the worlds greatest "rock n' roll band"?
JazzzyWoman: Yevette Turner
phade2black: jonh cougar mellencamp
HALFjoy: ^5 phade!!!!!!!..that MIDWEST SOUND!!!!
nightrain: "R O C K in the U S A"
phade2black: i got alot of different music...i buy what i like...not what someone tells me....
HALFjoy: me too
HotChocc: ^5 phade
nightrain: great song......I love the video....it tells the TRUE STORY about the origins of ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HotChocc: me too
HALFjoy: if it makes me dance...i got it
phade2black: when my black friends come over they "damn you have rock and roll music"...and when white friends come over they "damn you have rock and roll music"..........
nightrain: Yall ever check out the album "Pandamonium" - Time?
phade2black: got it
HALFjoy: ROFL phade!!!!!
nightrain: now.....that is one "hard rockin album"
JazzzyWoman: lol
phade2black: straight up is night
nightrain: "Donald Trump (Black version)"
phade2black: matter of fact..going to cd rack to get it now!!!!...brb
nightrain: <---has it handy as well :)
HALFjoy: <-reachin' for "the gold experience"...
HotChocc: phade getting ready to "rock" da house now..lol
phade2black: listening to Its your World...that is the cut
phade2black: and you know this Hot
HotChocc: lol
HALFjoy: hell phade..i have the black crowes..lol
phade2black: Hell. I got hall & Oates
nightrain: cut #11
HALFjoy: lol
phade2black: the romantics, the romones
HALFjoy: joni mitchell :>
phade2black: yep
nightrain: I just put it on also...
nightrain: <<<<<<-----cranking up the Volume
HALFjoy: <-won't comment on that umf..
phade2black: lets kick it then homie....LOL
HotChocc: turn it up y'all...i can't hear it...lol
nightrain: LOL
nightrain: "your life is fun and games...."
nightrain: hey... ....how about...
phade2black: your life is fun and games
phade2black: if you dont work
nightrain: Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley, Ernie Isley,
phade2black: how do you earn
HotChocc: ^5 night
nightrain: "baby it's YOUR world your livin in...."
phade2black: if you dont make it better nobody else will
nightrain: NOW....that motherplucka can ROCK THE HOUSE!!!!!!!
phade2black: thru lack of education / we've lost a generation
nightrain: badd cut the whle album is badd.... ...too bad it didn't get more airplay
nightrain: Black radio didn't play it... ...& white radio wouldn't touch it...
phade2black: it got VERY little airplay.....to "rockish" for the black station night
nightrain: yeah i know...
nightrain: ...but it's a masterpiece
nightrain: ....they wouldn't touch it....cause it didn't have "jungle love" on it
phade2black: is that new PE album da bomb night
nightrain: I haven't heard it yet
nightrain: I need to pick it up
phade2black: neither have i
nightrain: (among other things)
nightrain: Sylk 130
nightrain: Gangstarr
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nightrain: and others
nightrain: Welcome Po
phade2black: Hell....I havent even got LSG yet!!!
nightrain: Crystal Ball.....just about wiped out my budget for a while....lol
phade2black: dont play me...is the cut on cd #4
nightrain: nope
nightrain: I disagree..
nightrain: look at my MI
phade2black: one of your tears???
nightrain: (that's the cut!!!!!!)
nightrain: yup
nightrain: that song is badd
phade2black: i like that one too
phade2black: I like acknowlegde me
nightrain: "18 or Older"
SYSTEM Greeter: "SSSHY" has left the room
nightrain: "Hide The Bone"
nightrain: "Cloreen bacon Skins"
phade2black: "poom poom"
phade2black: clorren bacon skin
nightrain: "days Of Wild"
nightrain: great stuff
nightrain: he is a genius...
nightrain: ...however once again ....Black radio is ignoring a GREAT album
phade2black: yes it it.......to me this and Around the world in a day are the bomb...(but of course I like everything he does)
phade2black: some of his toughest songs didn't even make albums
nightrain: true....that's what Crystal Ball was all about
phade2black: "she's always in hair" ...and "17 Days"...just to name a few
nightrain: yup
nightrain: I also dug Emancipation
nightrain: "best album of the 90's" (in my opinion
phade2black: Sex in the Summer........
nightrain: oooooooooooooooooooo yeah
nightrain: badd azz jam!
phade2black: who you tellin'????...............lol
JazzzyWoman: bye fellows
nightrain: hey Jazzy...
JazzzyWoman: it was grand
JazzzyWoman: yes
JazzzyWoman: ummm welcum
nightrain: :)
phade2black: lata Jazz
JazzzyWoman: : )
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